| ASUS P8Z77-V Deluxe Features Overview |  |
| Reviews - Featured Reviews: Motherboards | |||||||
| Written by David Ramsey | |||||||
| Sunday, 29 April 2012 | |||||||
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Motherboard Features Final ThoughtsIn the computer industry, innovation rapidly becomes commoditization: today's cool new features unique to a single vendor's products can spread until they become standard. Even features protected by patents are often functionally duplicated. And then there's the "is this features relevant?" question. For example, on ASUS' own Rampage IV Extreme motherboard, the Subzero Sense connector allows the user to directly measure the subzero temperatures parts of the motherboard will experience with liquid nitrogen cooling. Sure, there are people who actually use this feature, but I'd guess 9 out of 10 Rampage users don't. That's why I like ASUS' Deluxe motherboards: their enhanced features are actually real-world useful. Fan XPert 2 is a revelation in fan control, and the WiFi Go! capabilities, while still at an early and imperfect stage, make it possible for a computer to integrate into your existing entertainment and networking systems, including mobile devices, with an amazing degree of functionality. And there are features I haven't even covered, such as the DTS Ultra PC II 7.1 surround sound (although at my advanced age I doubt I could discern the finer points of its operation), or USB BIOS Flashback, which lets you reflash the BIOS without needing a CPU or RAM installed on the motherboard... Of course, all this capability doesn't come cheap. For $274.99 at Newegg, this is the second-most expensive Z77 motherboard Newegg currently offers, beaten only by ASUS' own P8Z77 WS workstation motherboard at $339.99.
But be aware that there are Z77 Express motherboards on the market that will offer similar performance at well under half the price ASUS is asking for this motherboard, and consider whether you really need the extra features it offers. If you do, you'll have a system whose capabilities will likely exceed what you'll use, rather than a system you might find yourself upgrading in the near future. Enthusiasts with the need and the money will find this motherboard the cream of the Z77 Express crop. Benchmark Reviews invites you to leave constructive feedback below, or ask questions in our Discussion Forum.
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You pointed out it had the PLX PEX8608 chip, however there was no mention that the PLX chip, is not the PLX PXE 8747 that people had been hoping for, whereas Anandtech did, and even explained why that would have mattered.
Another thing this and the other review didn't mention was that the deluxe isn't the highest end model by Asus for their Z77 series of motherboards. It is in fact the Premium model which is due out sometime soon.
As such you ought to compare this Deluxe with the premium to show what is the differences between the 2 such as...
1. the premium has thunderbolt directly integrated onto the motherboard. In the anandtech video review with asus, this was pretty much hinted at. Whereas the deluxe has thunderbolt headers which provides the option for an add in card costing roughly 40 USD, that will add in thunderbolt connectivity. This is the difference in regards to the thunderbolt feature between these 2 mobos.
2. the Premium uses a new model PLX Gen3 chip which can offer full 4-Way SLI and CrossFireX support on the board as the PLX chip offers more lanes available to the GPU slots.. Whereas the deluxe uses a Gen2 if i'm not mistaken.
3. the Premium has Onboard mSATA Port with pre-installed 32GB SSD produced by Nanya integrated directly onto the motherboard, whereas the deluxe doesn't. This feature is useful for people don't already have an SSD who want to benefit from fast caching on their drives.
Thunderbolt is where USB 3.0 was two years ago. Nice, but irrelevant, since there are very few Thunderbolt devices and the ones that exist are very expensive.
Only a fraction of a percent of users actually have 4-way SLI or CrossFireX systems. Those that do would be better served by a platform with more native PCI lines like the X79 or 990FX.
The mSATA port is interesting, but again a very niche feature. 32GB is really kinda small for caching. I suspect it will mostly be used for vertical market/specialized applications.
i do agree that there is very limited devices with tb to be even make use of a tb port to begin with. The only ones i can think of is the MAC laptop ? and some NAS with TB that was shown over at computex last year.
How about your take regarding the PLX chip on the Deluxe vs the newer PLX gen 3 on the premium ? what exactly is the difference ?
I hope benchmarkreview can comment regarding the plx, similar to what this other review did, which concluded the plx didn't make a difference in dual sli :X so i do wonder whether it's even upgrading to the premium for the gen3 or not .... because to my understanding, the gen 2 plx also offers peer2peer optimization or some such as well ?
##pcgameware.co.uk/asrock-z68-extreme4-review-by-greg-page2/
#vr-zone.com/cebit/asrock-s-x79-extreme11-has-a-very-fitting-name/15206.html
In that review the asrock mobo had 2 plx, a gen3 and a gen2 .... my question is, why does it need 2 of them ? Whats that achieve :/
"This ASUS motherboard uses a different chip. PLX is the manufacturer of the chip, not its model. The error is on the review you linked to, where the reviewer doesn't seem to know that. (He only mentions "PLX chip," which is an incomplete information.)
The ECS Z77H2-AX motherboard uses a PEX8747:
##plxtech.com/download/file/1824
The ASUS P8Z77-V Deluxe uses a PEX8608:
##plxtech.com/download/file/576
Read at least the diagrams available on these two files to understand the differences between them. These chips have very different usages. The PEX8747 is used exclusively on the PCI Express x16 lanes, for video cards. The PEX8608 is an older chip, it is PCI Express 2.0, and serves to switch x1 lanes for the motherboard to support more PCI Express devices than it would originally support due to the low number of PCI Express x1 2.0 lanes provided by the chipset."
Source:
#forums.hardwaresecrets.com/ecs-z77h2-ax/8124?s=9582dad84799b660b21085d1dd775f81&p=23068
1. tb not enough devices for it to be useful ...yet... also the deluxe model offers an option for tb if you buy the add in card for 40 usd :X
2. msata on the board 32gb not enough capacity to be great. also if you already have an ssd, probably not really needed ?
3. dual intel nics are awesome and will enable the option to team them. but what sort of performance gains are we speaking of here ?
4. gen2 vs gen3 plx whats the difference ? is there any reason to get the premium for the gen3 or not ?
And finally, if your going to want tb in the future, is it cheaper buying the premium now, or getting the tb add on card for the deluxe ?
2. Correct.
3. Teaming is of limited utility. Each port already handles a BILLION BITS PER SECOND. Unless you regularly move terabyte-sized files between computers on your local network, teaming won't buy you anything.
4. Gen 3 is about twice the bandwidth per lane. Nice, but again not immediately useful since nobody was saturating Gen 2 bandwdith.
I have no recommendations re the Premium since I haven't seen one and don't know all the specs.
I got 2 qnaps at home. A ts-509 pro and a ts-659 pro II. both have capacities of 5tb and 12 tb respectively.
So i do indeed transfer data to and fro between my Desktop pc and these QNAP NAS.
So would the teaming intel nic make a difference for that file transfer you think ?
I'm using a Linksys E4200 Router as a go between :X
"If you search carefully you can find papers of throughput on dual and quad teaming of Intel NICs, you get no throughput gain with duals, but quads you do get an appreciable gain."
They did this test by teaming Intel Pro1000PT to confirm this. I'm not sure whether this would apply to the intel gigabite nics on the premium, but my guess it will, so i don't think 2 intel nics teamed would be a game breaker. Also i'm only effectively just using 1 nic essentially.
If i do utilize the 2nd ethernet, it would be very rarely, so i can definitely cope with the inferior realtek.
PS: my connection to the qnaps is via the motherboard gigabite ethernet port to the e2400 router (gigabite ports) to the qnaps (gigabit ports). Yes all wired :X I have them very closeby, and the Qnaps are in an ikea open cabinet to keep it tidy.
Better to go 10GbE, as I noted in my review(s) of the QNAP TS-879U-RP here on Benchmark Reviews.
5. both the premium and deluxe have the Dual Band Wi-Fi & BT 4.0. so on the wireless end their both the same.
6. the premium has a mini-DisplayPort, whereas the deluxe doesn't. Not really sure whether this matters, seeing as my Nvidia Asus 680 GTX comes with a full displayport, so why would i need a mini display port to use the integrated graphics for ? maybe someone else can answer this.
In summary, the P8Z77-V Premium is a crossover between the Deluxe and WS (Workstation) models.
#pcper.com/news/General-Tech/ASUS-P8Z77-V-Premium-motherboard-announced
##anandtech.com/show/5728/intel-z77-panther-point-chipset-and-motherboard-preview-asrock-asus-gigabyte-msi-ecs-and-biostar/7
##bjorn3d.com//articles/ASUS_Announces_Flags hip_P8Z77-V_Premium_Motherboar d/2238.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reviews_at_Bjorn3D+%28Reviews%2C+Previews%2C+Articles+and+Guid es+at+Bjorn3d.com%29
So buyers can know e.g. difference between deluxe and the premium, and know whether upgrading to the next higher tier aka premium is worth it for them. Had i known this i probably would have waited.
The Asus Z77 deluxe is good, but the premium is perfect considering it has dual intel nics and other features :X
But still the Z77 Deluxe has the option for an add in thunderbolt card for 40 USD, so all is not lost. But i wonder though what would the difference be performance wise comparing a tb directly integrated into the mobo, vs this tb add in card ?
#vr-zone.com/articles/asus-p8z77-v-premium-gets-teased-on-video/15658.html
There are hints and there about the premium model :X so you need to pay attention to that.
#thessdreview.com/our-reviews/mydigitalssd-32gb-ddr2-super-cache-msata-ssd-review/
##bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=2216&pageID=11802
And tell me what you think.
But what is troubling is this. you must connect 1 SSD and 1 HDD to the designated 2 sata6 ports on the motherboard (which is conveniently labelled).
However, in my situation, i have 1 x 160gb Intel Gen2 SSD, and 2 x 1tb HDDs.
So that means i can only use the SSD cache feature for only 1 of the 1tb drives seeing as there is no other sata port that will work for this SSD feature.
But the premium has the msata ssd already directly integrated into the motherboard.
Also notice that the premium has 6 x Sata6 ports (4 of which are colored to mean that the ssd cache feature will only work for hdds connected to those ports, and also since the ssd is already integrated that gives you 4 instead of 3 of them to work with)
You can see the pictures and features of the premium model here
##overclockers.com/asus-flagship-nonrog-motherboard-p8z77v-premium/
So basically only able to have 1 hdd able to use ssd quick cache with the deluxe seems rather limiting don't you think ?
##anandtech.com/show/4329/intel-z68-chipset-smart-response-technology-ssd-caching-review/2
So what exactly is the difference between using the intel smart response versus the Asus AI Tools and their instructions to connect the hdds to those specific dark colored sata6 ports ? Any ideas :X
With ASUS' caching, you can leave your SATA ports as AHCI (preferable) and add an SSD of any size. It's an easier to set up and more versatile solution.
My qnaps are in raid 5 and raid 6 by the way :p on a separate note.
Hm.... okay so now i understand this, the msata ssd on the premium is starting to look good :X because people point out that ssd caching for HDDS can turn an old hdd into 40% extra the performance of a raptor hdd :d roughly ...
My only concern left is ... the premium only has 2 usb3 ports on the backplate .... which is a reduction from the 6 usb3 ports in the deluxe .... how does having fewer usb3 make the premium better o.o;
Also the deluxe has
2 x PCIe x16 Gen3 (x16, x8/8)
1 x PCIe x16 Gen2 (x4)
4 x PCIe x1 Gen2
Whereas the premium has
4 x PCIE x16 Gen3 (presumably looking at the screenshots)
2 x PCIE x1
So my question now is, is the premium worth getting over the deluxe after considering these things ?
pros:
-msata ssd (bonus has asus ahci minimum req to benefit from ssd caching hdds)
- has more sata6 ports (especially 4 dark blue ports labeled for ssd caching hdds)
- integrated thunderbolt onto the motherboard (so you don't need to purchase the extra add in pcie card for the deluxe that would have costed 40 usd)
- dual intel nics
cons:
- alarmingly fewer usb3 ports compared to the deluxe o.O;
- fewer pcie x 1 lanes which would mean limited options for add ins. 1 most likely being for an Asus Xonar sound card, and the other for some random thing like say a 10gbit add in ethernet pcie x 1 card ? Will that be enough pcie x 1 lanes to satisfy ?
- if you compare the heatsinks, the premium has a thiner looking heatsink, why is that o.O;
So i'm wondering whether sacrificing the usb3 ports and the pcie x1 lanes is worth it for getting the pros mentioned :X
Opinions ? Sooner the better because i'm heading to the shop to ask for a trade, my deluxe for the premium model.
I see no pressing use for Thunderbolt on a PC right now with USB 3.0. USB 3.0 can transfer data much faster than any hard disk, so you really need SSDs to make full use of even them.
Thunderbolt makes more sense on Macs, which can use it to drive external displays and other devices in addition to hard disks.
I'm planning to use one 30" and one 24"
I know that max 2560x1600 can only be achieved via DisplayPort so I would get an Active DisplayPort to DVI-D converter...
Do you think it would work to get 2560x1600 and 1900x1200 simultaneously on my displays?
The other (24") display is working at correct 1900x1200 (via HDMI)
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention i am using i5 3570K
The only thing that's bothering me now is why i can't get 1900x1200 (which is max for DVI port on MoBo) on 30" display
I think i will go ahead and order Active DisplayPort to DVI-D converter which supports resolutions up to 2560x1600...
I also tested this and it works:
30" on 8600GT @2560x1600
24" on integrated @ 1900x1200 (HDMI)
and even additional (which i connected just for testing purpose and i wont be using it)
24" on integrated @1900x1200 (DVI or VGA)
but the thing is i would really like to get rid of 8600GT and use just integrated graphics (no need for 3D accel) so that's why i wanted to buy Dell-BizLink-DisplayPort-Adapter-Powered to use DisplayPort on MoBo.
But since i only get 1280x800 from DVI to my 30" i'm kinda afraid it might not work even with DisplayPort ... :(
Any ideas/solutions greatly appreciated..