| AMD A8-3850 Lynx APU Processor |  |
| Reviews - Featured Reviews: Processors | |
| Written by Hank Tolman | |
| Thursday, 30 June 2011 | |
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AMD A8-3850 Processor Conclusion
IMPORTANT: Although the rating and final score mentioned in this conclusion are made to be as objective as possible, please be advised that every author perceives these factors differently at The performance of the AMD A-Series A8-3850 CPU was great for its price range. In most of our testing it outperformed the similarly priced i3-2100. This performance was exaggerated in gaming tests, where the on-die Radeon HD6650D proved much faster than the Intel HD Graphics. At the same time, I am not as impressed with the performance of the A8-3850 as I would like to be. When the Athlon-II processors were competing in price with the i3 Clarkdale and Aarondale CPUs, the performance difference was very noticeable. The AMD CPUs were competing far above their price range. With the A-Series CPUs, I feel like they have succeeded in maintaining the entry-level throne, but not by such a big margin. Besides the Passmark CPU tests, CPU performance was generally slightly above or on par with the Intel CPU, while sometimes dropping below it. I hope the FX series of processors shines a little brighter. In terms of construction, I am glad to finally see some 32nm chips out from AMD. It has been a long road. Of course, something has to be said of the effort it must have taken to get discrete level graphics on die. With the GPU performance being shown by the off by the Radeon HD6650D, it almost make it seem like Intel launched a little early. The A8-3850 runs consistently cool and has very little trouble being overclocked, both testaments to its construction. Not only does the A8-3850 offer better performance and better graphics at nearly the same price as the Intel alternative, it comes with a lot of functionality as well. One thing that even mainstream gamers missed in the Intel HD Graphics was DX11 compatibility. AMD fixed this with their A-Series APUs. The Lynx platform offers native USB 3.0, UVD3, and the ability to pair with a second, discrete graphics card. The functionality offered on the A-Series APUs again makes it seem like Intel released their product a little earlier. Six months of market time without any real competition is a lot, but when your product misses the mark in several areas, there is something to be said about patience. The overclockability of the A8-3850 was very disappointing. We were met with a locked CPU and GPU clock and nothing to do about it. AMD didn't go as far as Intel and make overclocking an impossibility on the lower end platforms, but they did make it extremely difficult. The only way to overclock the A-Series A8-3850 APU is by increasing the reference clock. This increases the entire system, not just the CPU. There isn't any other way of increasing the GPU clock beside using the reference clock either. This makes overclocking very simple, but it can also make it dangerous. You have to be careful that your RAM has a lot of headroom and you have to be careful of voltage. You will have to increase the APU, and possibly RAM voltage to keep with the increases reference clock. In terms of value, I am torn by the A8-3850. As of early July 2011, the retail AD3850WNGXBOX kit sells for $140 at Newegg. I certainly think it is a better value for many purposes than the Intel i3-2100. Those purpose mainly being GPU driven. However, for transcoding, this isn't the case. Also, we are talking about entry-level systems here. I suppose what I have to say is this; if your main function is web-browsing, streaming media, and a little gaming on the side, the A8-3850 is great for you. If you transcode a lot of media or don't play any games, it's a toss-up. If you are a heavy gamer, don't even bother. You can play games on the A8-3850, but hardcore gamers will want more. Where the market is right now, the A8-3850 is a good deal. I just wish it would have been a little better. Pros:
+ True Quad-Core CPU/GPU Combo for $135
+ UVD3 Support + Virtualization Support
+ DirectX 11 Capable, Discrete Level Graphics
+ Ability to Pair with another Discrete Graphics Card
+ Good Overclocking Headroom
Cons:- Difficult to Overclock, Limited Ability Ratings:
Final Score: 8.8 out of 10.Questions? Comments? Benchmark Reviews really wants your feedback. We invite you to leave your remarks in our Discussion Forum.
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Comments
Great review, would of liked it more if you gave more details about your overclocking e.g. multipliers of cpu gpu RAM and how the reference clock affects them etc
-Hank
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So if I understand correctly, even if the onboard APU isn't powerful enough, you can now add a cheaper card on top of that and the GPU power increases overall? So you could buy an all in one CPU/APU and then add a cheap vid card and perhaps nearly high end graphics capability (Or more modestly, that's the trend)? That's pretty impressive. I will not be sorry to see the days of the must have 500.00USD video card gone.
It's a great idea (in theory) to have integrated graphics on a cpu these days, since modern tower heatsinks provide so much cooling oomph.
Though I know you were talking about cheap cards and cheap graphics, so that's all irrelevant. APU's may see some interesting Overclocking profiles, especially if the Bios options become more developed later on. I think people will be most concerned with overclocking with the purpose of improving memory bandwidth to the GPU, as that seems to be the biggest bottleneck on these chips currently.
It's not for no reason that many tower heatsinks advertise the ability to handle 200-250W.
Pared with a 6570 the 3DMark 11 score nearly doubles which puts it pretty close to a 6770. I am hoping to try it with a 66770 before the show Sunday.
With at least an i7-920 almost everyone can breath silently today and more, it's a solid anchor/pov for everything new on performance side.
And i'm always happy when the monopol spectre fades away.
my last 4 CPU's were 4400x2, FX60, i7-950 and now i7-990X (i'm a little gearslut, i know). My point: don't be an absolute fan of one brand no matter what. Depend of your needs, don't ignore the alternative.
I'm building my own and others PC for maybe 15 years and with a few gaps,i offer both intel and amd solutions, except high end workstations/ultragaming rigs.
if u choose wise, one platform could be trusful for more than 4 years.
For example u need to know two thing to stay in the line: CPU and GPU.
- For CPU, first pick one middle, in the budget, and in one year or more seek for the top CPU of the platform which ussualy cost u less than new mainstream CPU and will perform better than next-gen middle for another 1-2 years.
- for GPU, pick the mainboard with BOTH SLI and XFire. buy 1st one card u can afford, than go dual. Even if u'll choose the second step to go with one more powerfull card from the copmetition, u'll eventually can go dual with 2 top GPU across 2 generation. sometimes 3. And it works.
- Yeah, the RAM, don't go under 6Gs today and PSU, at least 750W GOOOOD brand.
so i really hope AMD will be ok in high end CPU's new generaton.
more the choices, better for us.
BTW, good review.
most sites show that a8-3850 is a bit slower than the 5570 so have something in mind
what a joke release??
an envelod of 100watt??? clearly it eliminates it as an htpc solution.
and since the scores are somewhere the athlon II x4 640
you can use the previous plattform with athlon II x4 620e with an envelop of 45 wat leaving you 55 watt for a gpu. thus not needing to buy a mobo if you are already a holder of an mad system.
a cpu of 45 and a gpu of 55 will means you can go to entirely passive solutions to both. or a an almost silent for the cpu.
so why to have one item that you have to upgraqde both when you can have 2 diferent to upgrade????
so far the assymetric crossfire apu +gpu works unter dx11 and dx10
and dx9 you get worse score than the apu alone!!!!! (maybe amd should look at this and fix it with some new drivers????)
it is a product that is not having any space to breath
since you can go to better alternates even at the amd side
mobo+apu=200 dollars more or less
now there is i3-2100 junior out there 2core/4 thread with a tdp35 watt so how a8-3850 can beat that contestor??? paired with a discrete card??
tdp suks, perfomanse something we have seen nothing spectacular
a product we could do without
as an amd user the last system was from amd i can say i am really disapointed for the outcome of amd is that what amd offer to hit intel?!?!!?!?
what is the market this product aims for??
the a8-3800 with 65 tdp could be discuseed for the lower tdp but i see it will be blown away with intel copmpinations both in tdp and perfomanse :-(
A8 3850's CPU part is faster than Athlon IIx4, clock to clock, by at least 6%.
Athlon IIx4 640+ Radeon HD5570 = 95W+39W = 134W,Llano A8 3850 = 100W with much lower idle power consumption(~44W). No one buys those 'e' or 'T' suffixed under performing parts simply for one obvious reason - PRICE! That junior i3 you mentioned, has a tag of $134 and has the abysmal GPU (HD2000) performance as usual. There is a huge market for entry level budget constrained gaming boxes, Llano will sale like hot-cakes there with a little price-drop. You want a silent, ULV HTPC solution? Go buy a Bobcat system!
well lets see i3 2100 junior 134$ mobo as low as 40$= 174$
a8 115$ mobo 100$+ = 215$ so that leaves you room to buy a gpu 40$
the mobo manufacters got it wrong you do not make 100-150$ mobo for the low end you make 50$ mobo for that cpu and maybe a model at 100$ for the more enthusiast who do not mind to pay some extra so liano need cheaper mobo and a price drop if it wants a share of the market
but the problem remains a8 needs it is own mobo due to his socket
why entrap yourself to a socket of midle to low powered machines when you can go to an am3 solution or am3+ solution now and be ready for bulldozer??? a matx mobo for amd can be found for 40-50$ thus freeing you with some money for the cpu so you can have the mobo and the energy efficient athlon at the same cost you will get today the a8 and his mobo. if you already had a system you can moove you gpu or pay 50-60$ more to get a 5570 and you have the same system as perfomanse with better options. to upgrade.
bobcat is nice but zotac has a mobo out with su2300 thus making it a better option than bobcat.
ion2 is more or less equal to bocat igpu
but su2300 is superion to bobcat in power
power consumption small diferense not that huge and even at idle su2300 wins. so bobcat!?!?!? again it will play role if amd or mobo manufacters drop the price so the bobcat will be more attractive due price only.
thats the only thing left to amd nowdays the complete cheaper but intel is hammering amd hard even at that sector nowdays.
if amd had released liano before intel cpus now we would talk what a failure the intel launch is
but now intel beat amd and he compare her to intel and she looses badly :-(
But as you point out in terms of socket compatibility, this chip is not marketed to people who have an existing AM3 platform, its for new consumers. The socket is a necessary evil at this point, since the AM3 socket is not designed for the extra data needed to deal with the GPU. That said, I would definitely not pay $150 for a Llano motherboard. I'd pay $100 at maximum.
Performance: 8.50
Construction: 9.00
Functionality: 9.50
Overclock: 8.50
Value: 8.50
Final Score: 8.25 ?????out of 10
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I think the LLANO APUS 65W TDP ,with Turbo Core 2,for HTPC,buros,workstati ons,etc,are the most interesting of use.