| AMD A8-3850 Lynx APU Processor |  |
| Reviews - Featured Reviews: Processors | |
| Written by Hank Tolman | |
| Thursday, 30 June 2011 | |
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AMD A8-3850 Final ThoughtsIt's been five years in the making, but AMD has finally accomplished what they set out to do when they acquired ATI. Putting discrete level graphics onboard has been something of a hit or miss operation, let alone on die. In January, Intel released the Sandy Bridge Platform, signaling the beginning of this new trend of all-on-one-die processing. The idea was very appealing to media users; an ever-growing market share in the PC industry. Oddly enough, some people don't want to play games on their computers. I know, I was shocked as well.
However, in trying to please everyone, Intel strived to make their 2nd generation Intel HD Graphics able to play mainstream games. In some aspect, they were successful. I reviewed the i5-2500K on an Intel H67 motherboard and on the lowest settings, mainstream games were playable. However, not many gamers want to play on the lowest settings. In addition to gaming, any GPU intensive task was a little difficult for the Intel HD Graphics. That is, except for transcoding. Intel QuickSync made transcoding quick and easy. But back to gaming. It just wasn't possible on Intel HD Graphics. At least not at the settings that we want to experience it at. So six months later, AMD comes out with a solution. The A-Series APUs are supposed to have discrete level graphics on die. The A8-3850 we tested comes with Radeon HD 6650D graphics. They proved to be quick a bit more adept at GPU intensive processes than the Intel HD Graphics. At the same time, you still have to play on relatively low settings, but it's much more realistic than with the Sandy Bridge CPUs. At any rate, a serious gamer isn't going to be pleased with the performance of the A8-3850. That being said, it is very nice that you can pair another discrete graphics card with the APU. This is a really cool feature that will allow for an entry-level system to perform quite well in games. With games depending mostly on the GPU anyway, it wouldn't be out of the question to pair a high-level discrete GPU with the A8-3850. That would certainly make all your games playable. The biggest disappointment to me is that I'm not shocked by the performance of the A8-3850. It outperforms the lowest level i3 Sandy Bridge CPU and the GPU is far ahead of the Intel HD Graphics. That being said, I am still a little disappointed. Here is why. AMD hasn't had the fastest CPU in a long time. The high-end market has eluded them. The sub-$200 price point has been there playground. For the last six months, that hasn't been the case. Before Sandy Bridge, Athlon-II processors were competing with Intel CPUs twice their price. That was stunning performance at entry level prices. The A8-3850 doesn't show me that stunning performance. Of course, it isn't really that fair to compare it like that either. To get the same CPU performance from an Intel CPU, you wouldn't have to spend much more money. But to get the same CPU performance and GPU performance, you'd have to get a better CPU and a buy a discrete graphics card. When put in that perspective, it is a little more stunning.
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Great review, would of liked it more if you gave more details about your overclocking e.g. multipliers of cpu gpu RAM and how the reference clock affects them etc
-Hank
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So if I understand correctly, even if the onboard APU isn't powerful enough, you can now add a cheaper card on top of that and the GPU power increases overall? So you could buy an all in one CPU/APU and then add a cheap vid card and perhaps nearly high end graphics capability (Or more modestly, that's the trend)? That's pretty impressive. I will not be sorry to see the days of the must have 500.00USD video card gone.
It's a great idea (in theory) to have integrated graphics on a cpu these days, since modern tower heatsinks provide so much cooling oomph.
Though I know you were talking about cheap cards and cheap graphics, so that's all irrelevant. APU's may see some interesting Overclocking profiles, especially if the Bios options become more developed later on. I think people will be most concerned with overclocking with the purpose of improving memory bandwidth to the GPU, as that seems to be the biggest bottleneck on these chips currently.
It's not for no reason that many tower heatsinks advertise the ability to handle 200-250W.
Pared with a 6570 the 3DMark 11 score nearly doubles which puts it pretty close to a 6770. I am hoping to try it with a 66770 before the show Sunday.
With at least an i7-920 almost everyone can breath silently today and more, it's a solid anchor/pov for everything new on performance side.
And i'm always happy when the monopol spectre fades away.
my last 4 CPU's were 4400x2, FX60, i7-950 and now i7-990X (i'm a little gearslut, i know). My point: don't be an absolute fan of one brand no matter what. Depend of your needs, don't ignore the alternative.
I'm building my own and others PC for maybe 15 years and with a few gaps,i offer both intel and amd solutions, except high end workstations/ultragaming rigs.
if u choose wise, one platform could be trusful for more than 4 years.
For example u need to know two thing to stay in the line: CPU and GPU.
- For CPU, first pick one middle, in the budget, and in one year or more seek for the top CPU of the platform which ussualy cost u less than new mainstream CPU and will perform better than next-gen middle for another 1-2 years.
- for GPU, pick the mainboard with BOTH SLI and XFire. buy 1st one card u can afford, than go dual. Even if u'll choose the second step to go with one more powerfull card from the copmetition, u'll eventually can go dual with 2 top GPU across 2 generation. sometimes 3. And it works.
- Yeah, the RAM, don't go under 6Gs today and PSU, at least 750W GOOOOD brand.
so i really hope AMD will be ok in high end CPU's new generaton.
more the choices, better for us.
BTW, good review.
most sites show that a8-3850 is a bit slower than the 5570 so have something in mind
what a joke release??
an envelod of 100watt??? clearly it eliminates it as an htpc solution.
and since the scores are somewhere the athlon II x4 640
you can use the previous plattform with athlon II x4 620e with an envelop of 45 wat leaving you 55 watt for a gpu. thus not needing to buy a mobo if you are already a holder of an mad system.
a cpu of 45 and a gpu of 55 will means you can go to entirely passive solutions to both. or a an almost silent for the cpu.
so why to have one item that you have to upgraqde both when you can have 2 diferent to upgrade????
so far the assymetric crossfire apu +gpu works unter dx11 and dx10
and dx9 you get worse score than the apu alone!!!!! (maybe amd should look at this and fix it with some new drivers????)
it is a product that is not having any space to breath
since you can go to better alternates even at the amd side
mobo+apu=200 dollars more or less
now there is i3-2100 junior out there 2core/4 thread with a tdp35 watt so how a8-3850 can beat that contestor??? paired with a discrete card??
tdp suks, perfomanse something we have seen nothing spectacular
a product we could do without
as an amd user the last system was from amd i can say i am really disapointed for the outcome of amd is that what amd offer to hit intel?!?!!?!?
what is the market this product aims for??
the a8-3800 with 65 tdp could be discuseed for the lower tdp but i see it will be blown away with intel copmpinations both in tdp and perfomanse :-(
A8 3850's CPU part is faster than Athlon IIx4, clock to clock, by at least 6%.
Athlon IIx4 640+ Radeon HD5570 = 95W+39W = 134W,Llano A8 3850 = 100W with much lower idle power consumption(~44W). No one buys those 'e' or 'T' suffixed under performing parts simply for one obvious reason - PRICE! That junior i3 you mentioned, has a tag of $134 and has the abysmal GPU (HD2000) performance as usual. There is a huge market for entry level budget constrained gaming boxes, Llano will sale like hot-cakes there with a little price-drop. You want a silent, ULV HTPC solution? Go buy a Bobcat system!
well lets see i3 2100 junior 134$ mobo as low as 40$= 174$
a8 115$ mobo 100$+ = 215$ so that leaves you room to buy a gpu 40$
the mobo manufacters got it wrong you do not make 100-150$ mobo for the low end you make 50$ mobo for that cpu and maybe a model at 100$ for the more enthusiast who do not mind to pay some extra so liano need cheaper mobo and a price drop if it wants a share of the market
but the problem remains a8 needs it is own mobo due to his socket
why entrap yourself to a socket of midle to low powered machines when you can go to an am3 solution or am3+ solution now and be ready for bulldozer??? a matx mobo for amd can be found for 40-50$ thus freeing you with some money for the cpu so you can have the mobo and the energy efficient athlon at the same cost you will get today the a8 and his mobo. if you already had a system you can moove you gpu or pay 50-60$ more to get a 5570 and you have the same system as perfomanse with better options. to upgrade.
bobcat is nice but zotac has a mobo out with su2300 thus making it a better option than bobcat.
ion2 is more or less equal to bocat igpu
but su2300 is superion to bobcat in power
power consumption small diferense not that huge and even at idle su2300 wins. so bobcat!?!?!? again it will play role if amd or mobo manufacters drop the price so the bobcat will be more attractive due price only.
thats the only thing left to amd nowdays the complete cheaper but intel is hammering amd hard even at that sector nowdays.
if amd had released liano before intel cpus now we would talk what a failure the intel launch is
but now intel beat amd and he compare her to intel and she looses badly :-(
But as you point out in terms of socket compatibility, this chip is not marketed to people who have an existing AM3 platform, its for new consumers. The socket is a necessary evil at this point, since the AM3 socket is not designed for the extra data needed to deal with the GPU. That said, I would definitely not pay $150 for a Llano motherboard. I'd pay $100 at maximum.
Performance: 8.50
Construction: 9.00
Functionality: 9.50
Overclock: 8.50
Value: 8.50
Final Score: 8.25 ?????out of 10
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I think the LLANO APUS 65W TDP ,with Turbo Core 2,for HTPC,buros,workstati ons,etc,are the most interesting of use.